Interview with Scott Ogden

Scott Ogden is the gallerist of a space in Chinatown and a collector of Outsider Art.

AMULETO is happy to interview art collector and gallerist Scott Ogden. We got to know Scott Ogden through The Artist Next Level podcast, in a conversation where he talked about Outsider Art, Art Brut and about self taught artists.

We came to his gallery in the Chinatown of Manhattan a white box full of colours. We talked about the space that he shares with Sargent’s Daughter another gallery, in what looks like a collective space for galleries.

The interview is short and concise but lovely!

Scott is also a filmmaker and you can see his movie MAKE –> here! <–



Why open an art gallery? Why in New York?

I actually had no intention of opening SHRINE, it was oddly unplanned and happened after a friend suggested I consider opening a space. Shortly after, while I was looking for an art studio for myself, I found my original location at 191 Henry Street. It was small but had an amazing energy, and it was the perfect space to launch a gallery. I have always collected art in a shoe-string budget, so my first few shows were primarily with outsider artists I had been collecting or with emerging contemporary artists I met through Instagram.

Do you have a specific curatorial vision? Could you describe it?

I am not sure if it’s a curatorial vision, but the program at SHRINE is basically a 50/50 split between self-taught artists such as Hawkins Bolden and Prophet Royal Robertson mixes with contemporary artists who are a little under the radar still. My aim is to present both genres, sometimes intermixed, to help bring outsider art and artists into a contemporary spotlight, and to highlight emerging artists who are creating very strong artwork but might still be new to the scene.

What is your vision about the art world nowadays?

I feel like art world is like any other professional creative field- It’s highly competitive, and everyone is constantly trying to find new ways to stand out and keep it all going, but I also think the art world is more open than ever to new voices and artists and cultures that have been marginalized in the past. 

What is the new art world capital?

I’m not sure what definition of “capital” you are asking about. In terms of physical capital, it’s the same as it’s always been- Art.  Artists’ creations drive this field and make it the unique market it is.

And I terms of a location, I think New York and other major world cities are obviously the biggest scenes and art markets, but with social media, online platforms and everything else, artist living anywhere can now develop a following and sell their work.

If I say “20th century” which artist comes to your mind?

Too many to list. My mind drifts more to artists that were immensely important during the 20th century, but who most people still have never heard of like Mary T. Smith, who is my next show at the gallery.

What do poetry and painting have in common?

Both are at their best, at least in my opinion, when they are intuitive and made without too much thought about being what they are. If you’re trying too hard to make “art” or a poem, and if you are directly referencing these worlds instead of creating your own, I most likely will not find it moving or too much of interest.

What kind of art moves you?

I feel most inspired by artists and art works that immediately give you the sense that the maker is completely lost to their work and doing their own thing without mimicry (or sometimes even awareness) of other artists or the art world at large. It’s a wide scope, and hard to define, but I know it when I see it.